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		<title>Comment on The Problem of the Problem of Evil by Tim Etherington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Etherington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 22:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yaocuicatl, I think you missed my point. This post was not arguing the deity of Jesus, though that is true, nor the reality of God. I was trying to discuss the nature of Hume&#039;s the problem of evil. I don&#039;t see anything in your comments that addresses my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yaocuicatl, I think you missed my point. This post was not arguing the deity of Jesus, though that is true, nor the reality of God. I was trying to discuss the nature of Hume&#8217;s the problem of evil. I don&#8217;t see anything in your comments that addresses my point.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Problem of the Problem of Evil by Yaocuicatl</title>
		<link>http://www.byfarthersteps.com/?p=1071&#038;cpage=1#comment-39056</link>
		<dc:creator>Yaocuicatl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 13:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether that idea of &quot; god&quot; exists or not you just did what everyone else does. You scream loud in the theater and said &quot;god&quot; (what ever that means) is Jesus. Now you just choose a Jewish man who was crucified for what ever reasons and made him this &quot;god&quot; idea. 
We all perceive in how we are taught. But that doesn&#039;t mean we were taught with empirical observation or to question others ideas. We are taught in how that society wants to teach you. We all live in the Christian Muslim buddist new age era, Christianity and islam come from Hebrew scripture. Hebrew scripture come from old ancient Babylonian creations stories that simply evolved to what it is now. A more complex idea of creation with no reality and thought put into it. 
Well this is the result an endless argument...who is this god idea. Creation is it&#039;s limit not whom the author is or is not</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether that idea of &#8221; god&#8221; exists or not you just did what everyone else does. You scream loud in the theater and said &#8220;god&#8221; (what ever that means) is Jesus. Now you just choose a Jewish man who was crucified for what ever reasons and made him this &#8220;god&#8221; idea. <br />
We all perceive in how we are taught. But that doesn&#8217;t mean we were taught with empirical observation or to question others ideas. We are taught in how that society wants to teach you. We all live in the Christian Muslim buddist new age era, Christianity and islam come from Hebrew scripture. Hebrew scripture come from old ancient Babylonian creations stories that simply evolved to what it is now. A more complex idea of creation with no reality and thought put into it. <br />
Well this is the result an endless argument&#8230;who is this god idea. Creation is it&#8217;s limit not whom the author is or is not</p>
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		<title>Comment on Good Inferential Theology by Tom Hicks</title>
		<link>http://www.byfarthersteps.com/?p=1049&#038;cpage=1#comment-37865</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Hicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 02:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff!  Thanks for sharing the insight!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff!  Thanks for sharing the insight!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Baptism Now Saves You by Tim Etherington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Etherington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 01:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome back Steve! I&#039;m really happy this wasn&#039;t a drive by comment. So many are and that&#039;s too bad because we miss the opportunity to talk. The internet can be so de-personalizing.

I appreciate your comment. It sounds much less like drive-by commenting. :) Baptism doesn&#039;t sit in an isolated context in this specific passage. It is most certainly in a Biblical context that we&#039;re fools to ignore. But I don&#039;t think it is fair to Peter or his original audience if you start with the broader context instead of the immediate. And again, I&#039;m going to insist that the words &quot;corresponding to this&quot; must be taken into consideration when interpreting &quot;baptism now saves you.&quot;

Granted, my Judas example was a throwaway comment, but hey, I didn&#039;t think you&#039;d be back! :) Let me try another, a better example. Imagine if we set aside the phrase &quot;Now this may be interpreted allegorically&quot; in Galatians 4:24 and then went on to interpret the rest of the chapter in a literal sense? We&#039;d miss Paul&#039;s point and come up with some weird ideas of covenants. An extreme example but I&#039;m trying to make a point. We have to read the entire thought and not just the parts that support our theology. Our theology must bow to the authority of Scripture. Amen!

Finally, let me repeat, the command in the Great Commission is not &quot;go&quot; but &quot;make disciples&quot;. That means that you have to go in order to make disciples of all nations. And the two things that go into making disciples is baptizing them and teaching them. Everything in that sentence hangs on the command to make disciples. It isn&#039;t a command to go nor teach nor to baptize. Those things are part of the disciplemaking processes.

Hope to hear from you again Steve! These kinds of interactions are good for us as they help sharpen our thoughts and words on important issues. God bless you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back Steve! I&#8217;m really happy this wasn&#8217;t a drive by comment. So many are and that&#8217;s too bad because we miss the opportunity to talk. The internet can be so de-personalizing.</p>
<p>I appreciate your comment. It sounds much less like drive-by commenting. :) Baptism doesn&#8217;t sit in an isolated context in this specific passage. It is most certainly in a Biblical context that we&#8217;re fools to ignore. But I don&#8217;t think it is fair to Peter or his original audience if you start with the broader context instead of the immediate. And again, I&#8217;m going to insist that the words &#8220;corresponding to this&#8221; must be taken into consideration when interpreting &#8220;baptism now saves you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Granted, my Judas example was a throwaway comment, but hey, I didn&#8217;t think you&#8217;d be back! :) Let me try another, a better example. Imagine if we set aside the phrase &#8220;Now this may be interpreted allegorically&#8221; in Galatians 4:24 and then went on to interpret the rest of the chapter in a literal sense? We&#8217;d miss Paul&#8217;s point and come up with some weird ideas of covenants. An extreme example but I&#8217;m trying to make a point. We have to read the entire thought and not just the parts that support our theology. Our theology must bow to the authority of Scripture. Amen!</p>
<p>Finally, let me repeat, the command in the Great Commission is not &#8220;go&#8221; but &#8220;make disciples&#8221;. That means that you have to go in order to make disciples of all nations. And the two things that go into making disciples is baptizing them and teaching them. Everything in that sentence hangs on the command to make disciples. It isn&#8217;t a command to go nor teach nor to baptize. Those things are part of the disciplemaking processes.</p>
<p>Hope to hear from you again Steve! These kinds of interactions are good for us as they help sharpen our thoughts and words on important issues. God bless you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Baptism Now Saves You by Steve Scarcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Scarcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2010 22:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, it&#039;s Steve and I&#039;m on your blog again. I do come to your blog occasionally and not just for a &quot;drive by,&quot; though it may have seemed like it. I appreciate your insight into &quot;Baptism now saves you.&quot; Though I know what you&#039;re trying to say, I believe that Peter is talking about Baptism from many levels - from Old Testament examples, transforming into its New Testament incarnation. I believe that Peter in this instance, is teaching the Church about Baptism in both specific and general terms - pointing always to the redemption of the world through Our Lord, Jesus Christ. Matthew spoke in 28:19 in a way that is similar to Peter, Matthew this time quotes Jesus the teacher, who in essence said &quot;go and do likewise.&quot; Go and make disciples and then in doing so, go and Baptize. I believe that Matthew&#039;s words are clear, &quot;Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.&quot; (NIV) You can&#039;t just stop at Jesus making disciples. His command is a two-fold command...go and make disciples AND go and baptize.
     I don&#039;t know how your comment on Judas hanging himself or being &quot;excused&quot; from the last supper in any way, is similar. Judas killed himself...period. Judas went and betrayed his Savior....period. Judas&#039; actions were self-inflicted actions. His being dismissed from the last supper to betray Jesus, was not a command performance but an acknowledgment by Jesus of what was about to take place. If I were a good Calvinist, at this time I would say that he was &quot;predestined&quot; to betray Jesus, and leave it at that.
     I guess that we will have to simply agree to disagree and that someday meet in heaven and continue to discuss your blog, but in person. I wish you well Tim. You have many thought provoking responses on your blog. All we need to focus on is that Jesus is Lord...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, it&#8217;s Steve and I&#8217;m on your blog again. I do come to your blog occasionally and not just for a &#8220;drive by,&#8221; though it may have seemed like it. I appreciate your insight into &#8220;Baptism now saves you.&#8221; Though I know what you&#8217;re trying to say, I believe that Peter is talking about Baptism from many levels &#8211; from Old Testament examples, transforming into its New Testament incarnation. I believe that Peter in this instance, is teaching the Church about Baptism in both specific and general terms &#8211; pointing always to the redemption of the world through Our Lord, Jesus Christ. Matthew spoke in 28:19 in a way that is similar to Peter, Matthew this time quotes Jesus the teacher, who in essence said &#8220;go and do likewise.&#8221; Go and make disciples and then in doing so, go and Baptize. I believe that Matthew&#8217;s words are clear, &#8220;Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.&#8221; (NIV) You can&#8217;t just stop at Jesus making disciples. His command is a two-fold command&#8230;go and make disciples AND go and baptize.<br />
     I don&#8217;t know how your comment on Judas hanging himself or being &#8220;excused&#8221; from the last supper in any way, is similar. Judas killed himself&#8230;period. Judas went and betrayed his Savior&#8230;.period. Judas&#8217; actions were self-inflicted actions. His being dismissed from the last supper to betray Jesus, was not a command performance but an acknowledgment by Jesus of what was about to take place. If I were a good Calvinist, at this time I would say that he was &#8220;predestined&#8221; to betray Jesus, and leave it at that.<br />
     I guess that we will have to simply agree to disagree and that someday meet in heaven and continue to discuss your blog, but in person. I wish you well Tim. You have many thought provoking responses on your blog. All we need to focus on is that Jesus is Lord&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ezekiel&#8217;s Temple by Tim Etherington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Etherington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 19:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your comments Samuel. I&#039;ll offer a few answers.

You didn&#039;t like my comment &quot;Since scripture helps us understand scripture, if the New Testament treats this vision as figurative then it is figurative.&quot; Fair enough. But notice that I said if the NT treats something as figurative. The NT would seem to me to be the regulative, normative standard on which to interpret scripture.

You said, &quot;I doubt, there are chapters in the New Testament, especially chapters 24 and 25, are very explicit and concrete that the author doesn’t bother to think.&quot; I&#039;m not sure what you mean here. But if the NT is explicit, then I would read the OT in the manner the NT is being explicit about.

You said, &quot;This article is more of representation of personal thought and feeling.&quot; Well, this &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a blog! :)

&quot;NT used some of the OT language doesn’t mean that all OT must be interpret figuratively.&quot; I never said we should take the entire OT figuratively. This post only deals with the temple described in Ezekiel&#039;s vision.

&quot;I wonder why interpret the part of Scripture figuratively when you think so, but not part of Scripture, including Paul’s description on salvation. I imagination, it could have to be interpret figuratively.&quot; It seems you&#039;ve significantly missed the point of this post. Paul&#039;s description of salvation a) isn&#039;t in the OT and b) is to be taken literally because of the genre of literature he writes in. 

Furthermore, I did not say to interpret Scripture figuratively whenever you feel like it. That goes back to my first statement, the one you didn&#039;t like. Maybe you should re-read this post more slowly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your comments Samuel. I&#8217;ll offer a few answers.</p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t like my comment &#8220;Since scripture helps us understand scripture, if the New Testament treats this vision as figurative then it is figurative.&#8221; Fair enough. But notice that I said if the NT treats something as figurative. The NT would seem to me to be the regulative, normative standard on which to interpret scripture.</p>
<p>You said, &#8220;I doubt, there are chapters in the New Testament, especially chapters 24 and 25, are very explicit and concrete that the author doesn’t bother to think.&#8221; I&#8217;m not sure what you mean here. But if the NT is explicit, then I would read the OT in the manner the NT is being explicit about.</p>
<p>You said, &#8220;This article is more of representation of personal thought and feeling.&#8221; Well, this <i>is</i> a blog! :)</p>
<p>&#8220;NT used some of the OT language doesn’t mean that all OT must be interpret figuratively.&#8221; I never said we should take the entire OT figuratively. This post only deals with the temple described in Ezekiel&#8217;s vision.</p>
<p>&#8220;I wonder why interpret the part of Scripture figuratively when you think so, but not part of Scripture, including Paul’s description on salvation. I imagination, it could have to be interpret figuratively.&#8221; It seems you&#8217;ve significantly missed the point of this post. Paul&#8217;s description of salvation a) isn&#8217;t in the OT and b) is to be taken literally because of the genre of literature he writes in. </p>
<p>Furthermore, I did not say to interpret Scripture figuratively whenever you feel like it. That goes back to my first statement, the one you didn&#8217;t like. Maybe you should re-read this post more slowly.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ezekiel&#8217;s Temple by Samuel Chan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel Chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder why interpret the part of Scripture figuratively when you think so, but not part of Scripture, including Paul&#039;s description on salvation.  I imagination, it could have to be interpret figuratively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder why interpret the part of Scripture figuratively when you think so, but not part of Scripture, including Paul&#8217;s description on salvation.  I imagination, it could have to be interpret figuratively.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ezekiel&#8217;s Temple by Samuel Chan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel Chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Furthermore, new NT used some of the OT language doesn&#039;t mean that all OT must be interpret figuratively.  If I apply the language figuratively to the work of Jesus Christ, then, I wonder what would happen to the salvation stated in the New Testament: would it be &quot;ideally believe could be save&quot;? But no assurance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Furthermore, new NT used some of the OT language doesn&#8217;t mean that all OT must be interpret figuratively.  If I apply the language figuratively to the work of Jesus Christ, then, I wonder what would happen to the salvation stated in the New Testament: would it be &#8220;ideally believe could be save&#8221;? But no assurance?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ezekiel&#8217;s Temple by Samuel Chan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel Chan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 18:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the statement, &quot;Since scripture helps us understand scripture, if the New Testament treats this vision as figurative then it is figurative&quot; is way over-simplify of what the author of this article to believe.  I doubt, there are chapters in the New Testament, especially chapters 24 and 25, are very explicit and concrete that the author doesn&#039;t bother to think.  
This article is more of representation of personal thought and feeling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the statement, &#8220;Since scripture helps us understand scripture, if the New Testament treats this vision as figurative then it is figurative&#8221; is way over-simplify of what the author of this article to believe.  I doubt, there are chapters in the New Testament, especially chapters 24 and 25, are very explicit and concrete that the author doesn&#8217;t bother to think.<br />
This article is more of representation of personal thought and feeling.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Baptism Now Saves You by JW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jun 2010 02:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buried in the likeness... the likeness is the death of our old sinning man, raised again in newness of life.  It symbolizes our death to sin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buried in the likeness&#8230; the likeness is the death of our old sinning man, raised again in newness of life.  It symbolizes our death to sin.</p>
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